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Thread: U.S. upper classes more likely to lie, cheat and think greed is good, study finds.

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    U.S. upper classes more likely to lie, cheat and think greed is good, study finds.

    http://www.minnpost.com/second-opini...od-study-finds


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    The other experiments were conducted in a laboratory. Some were done with UC Berkeley undergraduate volunteers, while others involved U.S. adults who were recruited through Craigslist or Amazon’s MTurk website and who participated online. In all, more than 1,000 individuals took part in the experiments. A variety of ethnic and racial groups were represented, although most participants identified themselves as white (European American).

    These experiments consistently found that people who considered themselves upper class (as determined by a standardized questionnaire) were more likely than lower-class participants to make unethical choices, such as taking items intended for others (candy earmarked for children!), lying in a job negotiation, and cheating to increase their chances of winning a prize.

    In one experiment, for example, participants played an online dice game in which they were told that the highest score from five dice rolls would receive a cash prize. They were also instructed to report their own scores. What they didn't know was that the game was rigged, and no player could score more than 12 points. Upper-class participants were more likely to report that they had scored more than 12 points — in other words, they were more likely to cheat.

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    U.S. upper classes more likely to lie, cheat and think greed is good, study finds, surprising no one.

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    Capitalism is set up to reward cheaters, being ethical is entirely up to personal conscience (and those who are ethical do not get the same monetary rewards as those who exploit loopholes.. and their fellow man).. so no surprises there.

    What DOES surprise me is someone believing that unethical behavior is OK and honestly showing themselves acting in that way. In those surveys I always wondered who in the heck would admit to cheating (even if they would do it in real life)... I guess now I know.

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    "Capitalism is set up to reward cheaters" - jumpingRabbit, with all my respect, you are exaggerating a bit. It is set up to reward the pursuit of profits, and thus to motivate people to create new ventures and products that will be valuable, and popular enough for businesses to get to those revenue streams. There are ways to game the system, but in many cases this doesn't end up well for those who are attempting to cheat and engage in fraudulent activities. No system is perfect and downplaying the benefits of capitalism by equating it to a large cheating scheme is somewhat harsh, in my sincere opinion.

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    Nevermind my rant.


    Only thing I'll say is that "studies" with a 1000 person sample is generally bologna.
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    Eh. . .I don't studies that are so generalized. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be true, but still.

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    The problem is that they're accepting their claims about income status as fact. If they were really in the upper middle class, they wouldn't be on Mechanical fucking Turk.

    News: People who say they have more income are also likely to lie about other things!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slicer View Post
    The problem is that they're accepting their claims about income status as fact. If they were really in the upper middle class, they wouldn't be on Mechanical fucking Turk.

    News: People who say they have more income are also likely to lie about other things!
    I thought the same thing. Undergrads, turkers and participants found on Craigslist-seems legit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slicer View Post
    The problem is that they're accepting their claims about income status as fact. If they were really in the upper middle class, they wouldn't be on Mechanical fucking Turk.

    News: People who say they have more income are also likely to lie about other things!
    Remember that a lot of us college folk use our family's income when we report our income level, which is probably a lot higher than our individual income. Also, people turk just to pick up a few extra dollars for beer or to pay off debt. Just because someone makes 200k a year does not mean they can't turk. Depending on the area you live in, rent/mortgage and cost of living could make a 200k salary look like a pittance, so mTurk is a good way to pick up some money for little "extras" that you'd otherwise feel guilty spending money on because you have student loans or debt to work on paying off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amaeru View Post
    Remember that a lot of us college folk use our family's income when we report our income level, which is probably a lot higher than our individual income. Also, people turk just to pick up a few extra dollars for beer or to pay off debt. Just because someone makes 200k a year does not mean they can't turk. Depending on the area you live in, rent/mortgage and cost of living could make a 200k salary look like a pittance, so mTurk is a good way to pick up some money for little "extras" that you'd otherwise feel guilty spending money on because you have student loans or debt to work on paying off.
    Precisely. The standard of living here in DC (and more so when I lived in NYC) is astronomically high (with minimum rents for a studio/1-bd being $2500 and up, unless you want to live in a dump.) I've turked in both places. No, I don't turk to live, and regardless of what my "real life" earnings are, a few extra bucks for "extravagances", or to pay off some bills, is worthwhile to me. It's not fair for anyone to question anyone's salary and/or their reasoning for turking...
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